caliston ([info]caliston) wrote,

Anatomy of a scam

This morning the phone rang and the doorbell went at the same time. After I'd dealt with the postman, I picked up the phone. Nobody answered... there was the usual 'I'm being connected to an autodialler' pause. OK, it's probably one of those 'you've won a holiday in Florida' scams. But it wasn't.

I got an Indian voice, obviously in a callcentre, on the line telling me that they were checking up on all the Windows PCs (I don't have any) as registered with Microsoft (using my name as found in the phone book). After a bit of spiel she told me to go into Event Viewer and look for red crosses and yellow triangles. According to them, these are evidence of 'infection', and my (non-existent) machine was very infected. I was then passed over to a 'senior technician' called who would resolve my 'problem'. (Actually, red crosses and yellow triangles in Event Viewer are nothing to do with infection)

This agent was called 'Mark Brown' on the 10am-5pm shift, and the person I originally spoke to was 'Suzanne' (given I could hear lots of Indian language in the background, this is unlikely). His number is apparently 0161 884 0503 (for the benefit of Google, that's 01618840503 or 0161 8840503)

He sent me off to www.pctechnosupport.com, repeatedly saying that they were a Microsoft Certified Professional. That appears to be the scammer's site. He said that they could clean all the infection from my computer and there was no monthly fee but there would be a small charge of £129 for 2 years or £189 for 3 years, to remove the mythical infection and give me a call once a month to check my computer was operating normally (most probably sales calls to extract more money).

I was told to go to the 'remote support' link on pctechnosupport.com, which sends me off to logmeninrescue.com (a genuine remote login provider). After typing in the 6 digit code they gave me, this downloads a .exe to start a remote login session (he just told me to click 'Run' and then 'Run', nicely ignoring all the security warnings. Anyway, why ask users to install unsigned malware when you can use a legit program to do it for you). Which isn't a lot of use on Linux (and no way am I giving them full remote access to any computer).

As I said the installer stalled (I was staring at the ceiling, making all this up), they sent me off to www.logmein123.com (another genuine site) which redirects to logmeinrescue.com. Again I said the installer was being very slow. After it 'increased' in single-percent per minute, they said they would ring me back. So 'Mark Brown' went off to scam a more promising target, and someone unnamed rang me back in a few minutes. My hypothetical installer was still at '61%'. So he told me to go to Start->Run (I was deliberately unclear as to which OS I was running - 'Mark' thought I was on Vista, this guy thought I was on XP) and type 'inetcpl.cpl' (which is a Control Panel plugin) and 'Repair' my network connection. This I did.

So back to www.logmein123.com and to run the installer again. Another 6 digit code, another installer download. Again this installer was being strangely slow. There was some swearing in the background and they hung up (after 40 mins).

About 15 mins later they rang back. Now I'm told to go to Start->Run, then type 'iexplore logmein123.com' and do the same rigmarole again. My side was again 'being slow'. After about another 15 mins they hung up on me again.

Another 15 mins, and the phone rings again. I'm sent off to www.pctechnosupport.com again. This time the agent is getting impatient, and tells me that he's coming to activate my 'protection' which is '100% safe and secure' and will mean there are 'no problems with your computer'. Despite having no means to actually do anything on my computer. He's going to give me the 36 month option at £189.
He sends me off to pctechnosupport.com -> Service Plans -> UK flag -> Premium:
http://www.pctechnosupport.com/catcollection.php?cid=3&lan=gbp
click on AlertPay and 'click here to pay' and it sends me off to the AlertPay website to enter my credit card details. Strangely my entirely made up credit card number wasn't accepted. I picked the example number of 4111 1111 1111 1111 and AlertPay complained that it was already registered (someone's been trying this stuff before). Oh dear, it says to call customer service. The agent (think it might have been 'Mark' again) tells me to call my bank and unblock my card. That was a 20 min call.

10 mins later, another call, 'Mark Brown' this time. www.pctechnosupport.com, back to AlertPay. Details in again. Oh dear, my card's already been registered. This time he sends me off to google 'team viewer 5 free'. I get directed to the TeamViewer page and told to click 'download'. Now Firefox (in Linux) was sucking up all the CPU of my netbook and couldn't get there. So this time my PC really was being slow.

Next, I'm told to go turn off my PC and boot into Safe Mode with Networking. Then go to Google again. Back to logmein123.com. He shouts across the office for a 6 digit code. Run, Run, oh dear it's being slow to install again. Stuck at 39% he's sounding a bit downcast. I'm sent off to teamviewer to download that, but 'unfortunately' that's being slow too. Now it's time for showmypc.com. Sadly this one's being oh-so-slow to download again. After this download taking 20 mins he's sounding quite fed up.

At 70 mins into this call I'm getting a bit fed up, and have done everything I can do by saying inane things at the phone every minute or so whilst reading my email etc. So I go and take the phone into the bathroom and have a shower, while he's still on the line (listening to the sound of running water!). Amazingly, he's still there 15 mins later. Now it's lunchtime, so I go and make lunch. At some point while I'm making lunch (a bit too quietly, perhaps), he hangs up.


Anyway, by saying 'yes' at appropriate points and parroting back at them what was on their script I managed to waste almost three hours of their time. Which isn't worth a lot compared to their likely profit, but every little helps.

(For the avoidance of doubt, this was clearly a scam. By wasting their time like this I'm keeping them away from some more vulnerable target, and reducing the profitability of the scam)

So these appear to be the scammers:
Domain Name.......... pctechnosupport.com
  Creation Date........ 2010-02-25
  Registration Date.... 2010-02-25
  Expiry Date.......... 2011-02-25
  Organisation Name.... jay
  Organisation Address. co MONAESTRY
  Organisation Address. 126, KALIBARI 1ST LANE. NEW BARRACKPORE.
  Organisation Address. KOLKATA
  Organisation Address. 700131
  Organisation Address. WEST BENGAL
  Organisation Address. INDIA

Admin Name........... jay ghosh
  Admin Address........ co MONAESTRY
  Admin Address........ 126, KALIBARI 1ST LANE. NEW BARRACKPORE.
  Admin Address........ KOLKATA
  Admin Address........ 700131
  Admin Address........ WEST BENGAL
  Admin Address........ INDIA
  Admin Email.......... kk_callezee@rediffmail.com
  Admin Phone.......... +91.9748230041
  Admin Fax............ 

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[info]yrieithydd

September 16 2010, 14:26:09 UTC 1 year ago

You're not the person to scam are you?

[info]fanf

September 16 2010, 15:40:44 UTC 1 year ago

This has been going on for a depressingly long time:
http://www.digitaltoast.co.uk/supportonclick-systemrecure-scam

[info]keith_underdown

September 16 2010, 16:32:11 UTC 1 year ago

I have the same attittude to JW's and Mormons when they come to the door-tie them up in knots and they're not bothering somerbody more vulnerable. Might even shake them up too

Anonymous

February 28 2011, 13:08:47 UTC 1 year ago

Mormon Missionaries

It's not the object of a mormon missionary to 'bother people' or target vulnerable members of society, its a simple message that one can choose to accept or not

See www.lds.org or www.Mormon.org for more info

Best Regards Dave

Anonymous

October 5 2010, 09:18:06 UTC 1 year ago

Thanks for the warning

Got an Indian accent trying to get me to do just what you posted, he claimed he was from microsoft I wasted 25 mins of his time saying we had no internet left and we didnt trust him. Thank you for making me feel I did the right thing he was so so persistent I was almost going to believe him.

Anonymous

December 9 2010, 20:35:55 UTC 1 year ago

Phone Support Scam

This just as recently as last weekend happened to me also, i was unsure as to whether it was really a scam but having read the posts on her am now happy that I cut the phone call short before parting with any debit card details. The 'senior technician' on the other end couldn't understand why i couldn't afford to pay the £59 one-off payment and promptly hung up when i told him this. i was left very unnerved and suspicious and wondering if my pc would be ok as they had been remote accessing it for a few minutes. my initial contact was supposedly a Tim Brown (with a very Indian accent, as did all of them) and so probably the same people you had dealings with.

thanks for making me feel not such a fool as i thought i was.

Anonymous

April 7 2011, 04:22:38 UTC 1 year ago

Re: Phone Support Scam

i just got off the phone to an indian woman who said she was working with microsoft and wanted to help me remove the malicious data from my computer (or something like that). i was suspicious but not wanting my computer to crash and lose all my photos etc. i went along with her. when she asked me to give her my windows authorisation code (i think that was it?) i said i was uncomfortable giving her this number as apparently i am the only person who was surpose to know it. i questioned wether she was just trying to hack into my computer. she convinced me it was legit and i proceded with her instructions until she got me to www.logmein123.com. she gave me my code for this site which was invalid so she 'kindly' made a temporary code to alow me access. whil i was waiting for this temp code i googled the website and found myself on this forum. im glad i did as i am very wary of other people taking control of my computer and reading that it is all a scam i made up my mind. i made her wait while i finished reading the page and then i told her that i didnt trust that she was legit and if i had a problem with my computer int he future i would take it to a technician in my area to sort out and hung up. thankyou to everyone who has posted on this forum and confirmed whatever she was up to was a scam. i would have been seriously upset with myself if i had given her 'technician' access to my computer and then found out it was all a scam.

Anonymous

January 7 2011, 19:11:10 UTC 1 year ago

etc,etc,etc

best get this in quick folks as i've just been told my system's likely to go down within 30mins!
Similar tale, received phonecall, asian male telling me they know my system's slow and might be freezing occasionally - due to some virus (i have McAfee installed). told me my name, address and phone no. to try and convince me of their legitimacy. i followed instruction, slowly to the site they directed but let them know i was unlikely to proceed without further checking them out. they shifted up the urgency gear and i flatly refused, asking to speak to a manager and to be given a contact number to phone back on. eventually the guy conceded to pass me on to a manager when i informed him that i found his manner to be pushy and queried whether the phonecall was being recorded, as i'd not been informed of this. the background noise of voices in a busy office (i suspect may even have been a recording) continued, along with what appeared to be the phone receiver being manipulated. I wasn't put on any kind of hold with annoying piped music as might have been expected. Another male came on the line, informing me he was the manager, but was equally pushy when i explained that i wasn't happy to proceed without further investigation on my part - he just wanted the pass codes to my system and said i could complain about 'alex' if i wished. I had to ask him twice for his name before getting it (steve williams - ha) and again, twice before being given a contact phone number which he said i could complain about alex on if i wanted, but that they didn't have a number that would go back directley back to them. i was polite but said i wanted to confirm only what was being stated to me and that i found them both to be pushy. again, further cohersion was being tried on me and i told him he was being manipulative. contact soon ended with an exasperated man telling me it will be my own fault if my system goes down. the no. given was:02920008370 - guess what? - it doesn't connect anywhere! and of course, no return no. on my phone when i checked either.
so glad i've found other experiences on here that have confirmed my suspicions. very pushy and therefore so easy to frighten the less savvy and/or computer literate. i shall be posting all my contacts about this.

[info]caliston

January 7 2011, 21:49:18 UTC 1 year ago

Re: etc,etc,etc

Heh... that's a free Sipgate VOIP number. I know because I have a number that's the same but only differs in the last three digits. So the scammers haven't exactly invested much money in their scam. Only if you ring my number you get to listen to a recording of screaming monkeys... perhaps the scammers would like to ring it sometime?

Anonymous

February 2 2011, 19:41:03 UTC 1 year ago

Different approach same number!

I had a call from an Indian sounding man called 'Nathan Clarke' stating he was from Online technical support, a company who work for a number of broadband providers including the one I subscribe to. Said they had identified a fault on my line and asked if my connection had been slow or pages freezing. Wanted me to go to a rechnical support website - www.teamview.com - or similar. At this point I informed them I would like to check with my provider as I was cautious about logging onto a site when he had told me their engineers would then access my computer to help clear junk files which he said may be the problem. Took his number which was 0292 0008370. Although they had not asked for any money at this point seems strange the number is the same! On contacting my provider they informed me there was no record of any faults or investigations on my line and advised me not to log on - Not that I planned to anyway.
Felt vindicated in my cautiousness when read these posts, thank you.

Anonymous

February 22 2011, 12:52:30 UTC 1 year ago

My computer slow response time and error messages.

I had a very caring sounding Indian on the telephone called Peter? (from Windows). He was very concerned about response times and after foolishly supplying him with info on error messages he suggested re-newing my warrenty for £59. Luckily,our computer wizard btother-in-law was staying with us. He advised me to get Peters? phone number and enter it on Google!!!!! Glad I did.

Anonymous

June 10 2011, 07:04:12 UTC 11 months ago

Loved what you did to these guys...

I had the same call a few weeks ago - I was pretty rude to the guy, as I immediately knew it had to be a scam - no-one, ever, can see what's on your PC unless you let them in by having no/rubbish anti-virus protection, or you click on something you shouldn't trust (e-mail offering untold riches anyone?), or you give out login details over the phone. Never do that! No legitimate company will ever ask you to do that unless you have contacted them first with a problem. If you're unsure, ask to call them back - any legit company will be happy for that. If in any doubt, just hang up - it's no different to a cold caller at the door. They have no right to your time or your money. Your computer will not crash, your cat will not explode, and the world will not end. Remember - just hang up.
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